Ciekawe cytaty Osho i inne w j.ang

[Karina]

"Życie to nie jest firma, którą trzeba zarządzać, ale tajemnica, którą trzeba przeżywać"     Osho

[medżikowsky]

And after nine years, when I resigned from the professorship, the first thing I did was burn all the certificates.
My father was there; he said, ”Even if you have resigned, there is no need to burn the certificates.
They can remain here. What is the trouble? You give them to me, I will keep them.”
I said, ”No, that means you are still hoping that someday I may need them.
No, once I have passed a bridge I want to destroy it, so that I cannot go back. I am not going to give these certificates to you.”
I burned them in front of him, and he said, ”You are strange. I am not preventing you from resigning.”
I said, ”Once I have resigned, I am never going to need these certificates in my life, so why carry them?”
Rules of any kind I have never followed, so it is very natural for me to forget.
Yes, I forgot to tell you that it is one of my requests to you to live dangerously.
What does it mean exactly?
It simply means that in life there are always alternatives. You are always at a crossroad, always and always.
Each moment is a crossroad, and you have to choose where you are going, what is going to be your path; each moment you have to choose.
Each moment is decisive because you are discarding many ways and choosing one.
Now, if you choose the comfortable, the convenient, then you will never be able to live intensely.
The comfortable, the convenient, the conventional, which the society approves, means that you are ready to become a psychological slave.
That’s why all this convenience....
The society will give you everything, if you give your freedom to it. It will give you respectability, it will give you great posts in the hierarchy, in the bureaucracy – but you have to drop one thing: your freedom, your individuality.
You have to become a number in the crowd.
The crowd hates the person who is not part of it. The crowd becomes very tense seeing a stranger amongst it, because the stranger becomes a question mark.
You have been living a certain life, a certain style, a certain religion, a certain politics.
You have been following the way of the mob, and you were very comfortable, cozy, because those surrounding you were all people just like you.
What you were doing, they were doing. Everybody else was doing the same; that gave the feeling that you were doing the right thing.
So many people could not be wrong.
And in gratitude that you are following them, they give you respectability, honor.
Your ego is fulfilled.
Life is convenient, but it is flat. You live horizontally – a very thin slice of life, just like a slice of bread cut very thin. In a linear way you live.
To live dangerously means to live vertically.

[medżikowsky]

Tutaj "love" używane jest w innych znaczeniach, bardziej ziemskich, na wypadek ewentualnego oburzu. Chodzi o jin-jang.

The child needs both,because this is how life is: if a child only gets love he will suffer; if he only gets hardness, then he will suffer.
He needs both. That’s the function of the mother and the father:
The mother should go on giving love so the child knows that love is possible and the father remains hard so the child knows life is not so easy.
It is how life is!
There are thorns and there are roses and the child has to be prepared for both.
The world is not going to be a mother; the world is going to be a hard struggle.
So if you just go on giving him love he will not have any bone.
When life is there in reality he will simply collapse, because he will wait for the mother and [she] is not there; life does not bother about him.
Then he will be grateful to [his father] because life will put him out the door many times, will shout at him, and then he will know that he can tackle that too; he has been prepared for that too.
A child has to be prepared for both softness and hardness, yin and yang both, and that’s the function of the father and mother.
The feminine and the masculine both have to be given so the child is ready:
whatsoever the situation he will be able to respond.
If life is hard, he can be hard too; if life is loving, he can be loving too; he will not have any fixation.

OshO
CHAPTER 15.
The Zero Experience


My feeling and my observation is that love is just like the starter in a motor car: you cannot run the car on the starter.
It starts the car, that’s its function; then the car has to take over, the motor has to run.
Love should function as a starter to friendship but it cannot run the whole show; that’s why love fails.
Unless friendship grows love is bound to fail.
So while love is there make sure that friendship is growing, because sooner or later the romance of love will disappear and if the friendship has not grown by that time then the whole thing falls flat.
That’s what is happening in the West every day....
People move into love with such great enthusiasm, with such great hope and fantasy.
With high hopes they enter into love and within days it is gone!
In fact the honeymoon is not over and the love has gone.
What is happening?
And then the whole thing becomes a drag – dragging, ugly, and one somehow manages, pretends...
a hypocrisy.
My feeling is that love is just a starter; don’t depend on it. It is good, it is needed to start with, but when the car has started don’t depend on the starter: its work is done!
Now the car has to run on its own; that’s what friendship is.
So before the romance wears out make sure that friendship has arrived, then love has done its work, has served beautifully, has made the possibility for friendship to descend.
Now its function is over.

OshO
CHAPTER 15.
The Zero Experience

[medżikowsky]

OSHO, WHAT IS DIPLOMACY?

Sandeep,

DIPLOMACY IS A BEAUTIFUL NAME for all kinds of cunningness.
It is a beautiful label for all that is ugly.
It is an effort to cover human violence, human stupidity, human cunningness, behind a beautiful word.
Diplomacy is simply an effort to dominate.
It may be between persons, it may be between religions, it may be between countries -- it does not matter.
Even husbands and wives are in a diplomatic relationship, parents and children are in a diplomatic relationship.
It is not only in politics, it is in our whole life.
When you see somebody and you feel, "Now my whole day is wasted; seeing this bastard early in the morning is a perfect indication that something wrong is going to happen, some calamity is going to happen to me," but you say to the man, "Hello! How are you? Glad to see you!" -- that is diplomacy.
Diplomacy has entered into our blood.
When you don't love your wife and pretend that you love her, it is diplomacy.
When without any love you hug your children, just because it has to be done, because Dale Carnegie says so: HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE....
Dale Carnegie is the prophet of the modern age. Dale Carnegie's book, HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE, has sold next only to the Bible. It seems to be
even more important than the Bible, because the Bible is being distributed free by the Christian missionaries and Dale Carnegie's book you have to purchase.
And what he teaches is simply diplomacy.
He says that even if you don't mean it, at least a few times in the day remind your wife how much you love her.
That's enough, because people don't bother about love; people live in words. If you say, "I love you," that's enough. If you go on repeating, "I love you," that becomes a proof that you really love.
This is a very ugly state of affairs. Humanity has fallen so low that Dale Carnegie becomes the prophet.
Diplomacy is not only political, not any more -- it has entered into every arena of life.

OshO
Be Still and Know
Chapter #3
Chapter title: You Are Ancient Pilgrims

[medżikowsky]

a o tym co myślicie?

In the past when there were no cars, it was impossible to fall in love with a girl who did not live in your own neighborhood.
And then too it was very difficult, because all the neighbors knew you, all the neighbors knew the girl, all the neighbors knew your parents, the girl’s parents.
Immediately you would be reported. And you could not go far away.
The moment the car came into existence and was put into the hands of the young people, love became a tremendous phenomenon.
Now taking your girl to any faraway place where nobody knows you, nobody knows the girl, nobody is going to complain to your parents, it has become very easy.
It has also become very easy to take every day another girl, because the first girl will never know where you have gone.
The car has managed a totally new world of love affairs.
The inventors of the car would have never thought about it, that it would change the whole structure of society

OshO
CHAPTER 15. THE IMPOSSIBLE IS ONLY AN IDEA OF THE MIND
Sat Chit Anand

[medżikowsky]

To w tym kontekście bardzo trafne określenie, on mowi do konkretnej osoby, ktorej byc moze potrzebne było takie ujęcie sprawy. Jak ktos chce uciec od życia, to dla niego jest to pułapka.

Jak dla mnie kluczowe w tym tekscie jak i w temacie suicide jest:
"you must be missing your life badly."
W sensie, odejscie od "tu i teraz", ogolnie wszystko jest zawsze w kontekscie glownego przekazu.

[Tess]

Then no womb can be a trap for you again.
   

To jest okrutne ujęcie sprawy - macica, łono kobiety jako pułapka.

Ale niestety 'womb' niektórych kobiet/bab  to jest pułapka..
I to nie tylko dla dziecka

[medżikowsky]

Question – I want to commit Suicide.

Osho:

Then first take sannyas. And you may not need to commit suicide, because sannyas is the greatest suicide possible.

And why should one want to commit suicide? Death is coming on its own – why are you in such a hurry? Death will come, it always comes. Even if you don’t want it to come, it comes. You need not go to meet it, it comes uninvited. But you must be missing your life badly. It is out of anger, out of desperation, that you want to commit suicide. I will teach you the real suicide: Become a sannyasin.

And the ordinary suicide will-not help much, you will be born immediately into some other womb somewhere. Some foolish couple will be making love somewhere, remember…and you will be trapped again. You cannot escape so easily – there are fools and fools. Before you will be escaping from this body you will be caught in another net. And again you will have to go to the school and the college and the university – just think of that! Think of all those miserable experiences – that will prevent you from committing suicide.

You know, Indians don’t commit suicide so easily, because they know that they will be born again. In the West, much suicide and the suicidal idea exists; many people commit suicide. And psychoanalysts say there are very very rare people who don’t think of committing it. In fact one person has investigated and gathered data, and he says every person, every single person, thinks at least four times in his life to commit suicide. But he must be thinking of the West. In the East, because of the idea of reincarnation, nobody wants to commit suicide – what is the point? You escape from this door and from another door you are in again. You can’t go so easily.
I will teach you real suicide, you can go for ever. That’s what it means to become a Buddha – to go for ever. When somebody used to commit this suicide in samadhi, Buddha had a special name for him, he would call him ANAGAMI – one who will not return. One who has gone to the farthest shore and will not be coming back. I can make you anagami, a non-returner. Then no womb can be a trap for you again.

[medżikowsky]

to o związkach partnerskich , czyli (przynajmniej) do tej osoby do której mamy NAJWIĘKSZE zaufanie , a nie do każdej

jeśli i przed nią coś chowasz, to jesteś zamknięty/a w sensie ogolnym

no a jeśli z góry się wie (nie mylić z lękiem przed odtrąceniem itp), że się nie nadaje do powierzenia jej sekretów, to chyba nie jest to właściwa

czyli każdy ma wybor znaleźć taką osobe, do ktorej się powinien odwazyc otworzyc

tak to rozumiem

[Tess]

Well,
Ta jedna osoba może i wyjawić swój secret
Bo kocha.
Ale co może zrobić z tym sekretem ta druga ?

[medżikowsky]

Po angielsku, bo chyba nie doczekały się tłumaczenia, a są na tyle ciekawe, że chce się podzielić. Dla nieznających / uczących się nic straconego: translate.google.com

If you love a person, open your heart completely, because even if you keep a small secret, that remains like a barrier. It may not be visible, but underneath it separates you.
All secrets are like walls. If you drop all secrets, suddenly you are unburdened and the other comes closer and closer. Love should not have any secrets. The intimacy is so much that the secret cannot be allowed to stand between two persons.
So that’s very good.... Just open. What is the fear?
If you love the person, what is the fear?
Because we don’t love, we go on keeping our secrets. We are afraid that if we tell everything, the other may not like us, may not love us; may go far away. But if it is going to happen, it is going to happen.
By keeping your secret you are not going to change it. In fact he may go sooner because you will remain closed.
If you have a secret you cannot allow the other person to the innermost core of your being.
So just drop all secrets. That’s the beauty of love... that all secrets can be dropped, all privacy can be dropped.
Nothing exists between two persons, nothing.
Then they can flow into each other and an understanding arises. One feels unburdened and clean....
OshO
Get Out of Your Own Way